romney an expert in health care policy. he reformed health care in the stays of massachusetts. he is not ignorant. he is talking to his base. so far i don't think it's working. >> i want to you make the argument -- . [ multiple speakers ] -- back to the girls with guns. is that an argument for the women's vote. >> i don't think it's a real issue for women so much. but you know, i'm a farm and ranch girl and a grew up in a family that did hunt and i had a gun when i was in my single-digits back in the day and was taught how to shoot and taught about how to treat a gun and how to respect and things like that. i think that's important. and i think it's an important place our culture we have these different activities that take place. so -- >> i was going to say, you have to kind of divvy up the goods. of course those in hadn'ting families and live in route i can't recall, they think it's great he is getting this kid out there and that's of the wonderful. the other side of the coin is i think moms might be supportive if they feel he is being attacked for doing -- in other words a w